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really the gap between the campaign rhetoric and what the obama administration's actual policy was in iraq because you have to ask yourself the question, what does it mean to end a war? and it's lot more than simply removing troops and actually, when president obama approached iraq, he, himself, and his team, thought it entailed a lot more than removing troops them tried create a power-sharing arrangement in iraq. tried to negotiate a sofa which initially -- >> status of forces agreement of when to remove troops. >> would have allowed initially as many as 10,000 american troops to stay and they also tried to work out an arrangement where there would be a fairly substantial civilian/american footprint to maintain our influence there and none of those things really happened. what happened is the troops left. >> tom, on afghanistan as well, the idea of when troops come out there's agreement about 2014 but i think what michael's speaking to the idea that troops coming home doesn't mean that the issues are settled and there's war weariness in america but what it's level of responsib
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